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Poster: sakanaband Date: Dec 19, 2011 10:49am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: shoreline as a venue

It was always a tremendous disappointment for me to see the Dead at Shoreline. The 'pitch' of Shoreline is very steep Seats located behind the soundboard immediately started to feel too far away from the band. On the lawn, of course, this was even worse. It felt as if the band was playing "down there somewhere" below you and my heart and soul longed to be closer and in the mouth of the beast. Instead, my experiences there were peculiar in that it was more like observing the band play rather than partaking in the experience. The lawn is vast and again the steepness of the hill made it seem as if I would lose my balance. Dozens if not hundreds of times, I saw stoned and drunk patrons falling down the hill and causing an unfortunate domino effect. This was particularly bad since there were lots of kids at Shoreline shows because the vibe was indeed really chill and family friendly. The sound was NEVER loud enough anywhere in the venue. Lots of apartments and condos were located very near and there was a severe sound volume restriction. Lastly, there was an almost unbelievable dearth of tickets in the "sweet spot". Arguably, there were only about 1,000 very good to excellent seats under the pavilion and these were largely unavailable to the "little people" that were not Dead family or BGP-related. I was often second in line at a ticket outlet on days tix went on sale and that put you in the 200 section or way off to the left or right of the stage. Naturally, due to this situation, scads of people would "stub" their friends into better real estate and it created unfriendly vibes and crowded conditions. In a phrase, Shoreline sucked. It was only met with glee by people from out of state. Those folks living in northern Cali back in the day would just terribly miss the The Frost Amphitheater and The Greek across the Bay. Oh, and the place reeked from ancient garbage heaps. This fact made it possible for Graham to build it: the real estate was worthless. There was a HUGE consolation to those darker days though. Cal Expo in Sacramento was just freakin' great. If you knew, then you knew if you know what I mean. A wonderful G.A. box of a venue with a flat lawn for the floor and bleacher seats on three seats. The highest seat in the venue was STILL below the top of the speaker stacks. And the American River and its National Recreation area lands were right next to it since it was the state fairgrounds. When camping was allowed there it was nearly paradise. Like a dream we dreamed one afternoon long ago.

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Poster: bluedevil Date: Dec 19, 2011 11:12am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: shoreline as a venue

I always thought Shoreline kind of sucked. For a large,generic, corporate venue, it's better than most, but when you compare the other venues in the surrounding area, it falls way, way short.

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Poster: high flow Date: Dec 19, 2011 11:56am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: shoreline as a venue

Agreed with Sakanaband and BD. I never liked Shoreline(I saw MANY shows there) and would only go there if I had reserved seats. Paying for a lawn ticket was a waste of cash.

Cal Expo was the best outdoor GD venue in N. Cal. after they abandoned the smaller places.

The best tonic for a Shoreline GD show was a Warfield JGB show. Worlds apart.

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Poster: bluedevil Date: Dec 19, 2011 12:05pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: shoreline as a venue

"The best tonic for a Shoreline GD show was a Warfield JGB show. Worlds apart."

WITHOUT A DOUBT! The main artist room downstairs offstage is designated the Jerry room.

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Poster: johnnyonthespot Date: Dec 20, 2011 11:25am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: shoreline as a venue

never saw Jerry there. Saw him at the civi which I didnt care for and the KAiser which was a big venue for him but hard to believe the Dead got away with playing there up through 87. I saw Tuna at the Warfield a bunch of times

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Poster: bluedevil Date: Dec 20, 2011 11:32am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: shoreline as a venue

Saw lots and lots of Kaiser GD shows - always a good time and always plenty of space for dancing on the floor and in the hallways. Loved the vibe there.

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Poster: leftwinger57 Date: Dec 20, 2011 2:48pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: shoreline as a venue

I liked Kaiser alot.We saw and made the effort to do the New Years' eve shows there and to a show it was never a dissapointment. You should know by now I'll rip them when it's deserved but I never saw a bad show at Kaiser.The only other group/artist I can remember seeing there was Peter Tosh when the Reggae boom was hitting the Bay Area.Ron Wood made an apperence and jammed on a few songs.

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Poster: johnnyonthespot Date: Dec 20, 2011 11:35am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: shoreline as a venue

We moved in 74 so those years dont count but I lived there 84-86 and 88/89-91. The first time back I barely knew about the Dead and NONE of my friends dug them so I never ventured alone but I wanted to and wish I had. We used to cross over Webster whenever the Dead were playing ( or the Civic in SF )and go shopping if you know what I mean. In those days as I found later the band was fairly crappy but the scene was COOL. Never got ripped off and everyone was cool. No poseur hippies or bandana skullcap tie dye wearing jock/fratboys yet.

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Poster: utopian Date: Dec 19, 2011 12:29pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: EXPO as a venue

yea the sound was as good as it got in the later years
evidence- one of the best audiences on the site
http://www.archive.org/details/gd90-06-09.bk4011.nickspicks.23532.sbeok.flac

I have a rather horrible memory of walking up on a beautiful girl getting raped in the parking lot after a show at expo. I guess I broke it up cause he ran away and the girl was in shock and wanted to forget about it. I live in california and love it but there is a lot of crime and despots. very sad.

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Poster: CharlieMiller Date: Dec 20, 2011 1:10am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: EXPO as a venue

Cal Expo was an awesome venue.